ep27 - Know Your Customer on Social Media - Enneagram Type One

show Nov 03, 2021

Kendra Adachi, AKA The Lazy Genius, and I talk about how Enneagram 1s experience social media.

I'm on a mission to discover what the Enneagram can teach marketers about the personality of their one, perfect customer.

During this interview, we cover:

  • The types of posts that attract Enneagram 1s
  • What gets you muted on Kendra’s feed
  • Kendra’s wheel of images for the perfect grid

 

 

About My Guest:

Kendra Adachi is the New York Times bestselling author of The Lazy Genius Way and creator of The Lazy Genius podcast. As a systems expert and professional permission giver, Kendra helps others stop doing it all for the sake of doing what matters.

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Megan: Hello, and welcome to Megan Social Media Marketing Show. I am so excited today because I have Kendra Adachi, The Lazy Genius will be joining us today. I just am over the moon to have this conversation. 

Megan: We are talking about knowing your customer through the Enneagram. The Enneagram is an ancient knowledge system. That's been paired with modern psychology to create a framework, to help us understand ourselves more. There's nine different types of that personality and Miss Kendra identifies as an Enneagram One, as do I, this is why it's so exciting to have her on today. 

Megan: And a lot of you out there are Mompreneurs, solopreneurs, you have your own business, and you need to know how to get people from social media, onto your website or to purchasing your products. And this will help you get there because every marketer needs to know who that customer is. And there are Enneagram Ones I guarantee you in your audience and this conversation, I hope will help you to serve them well, 

Megan: Hello. 

Kendra: How are you?

Megan: I am lovely. How are you doing today?

Kendra: We're doing fine. Just, you know, living life. I don't know what day it is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Kendra: Still we're still, we came out of a family quarantine where two weeks out of a three weekend, the quarantine and I still am just like, I don't know what's happened.

Kendra: Bless it. Bless you. And that whole. The situation. 

Kendra: Well, it's good stuff. It's good stuff. 

Megan: Oh, I'm so glad to hear. I'm so excited to talk to another one. Like I've been waiting in my own series. I've been waiting to talk to another Enneagram one. So this'll be so fun. So for those who may not know a whole lot about you, would you mind introducing yourself to us?

Kendra: Yeah. Sure. So my name's Kendra, Kendra Adachi. I'm known on the internet as The Lazy Genius. I have a everything. Is Lazy Genius named. So I have a book called The Lazy Genius Way. I have, my second book comes out March. It's called The Lazy Genius Kitchen. My podcast is The Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm here as the Lazy Genius.

Kendra: And my whole thing is to help people be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't to them, because everybody has different things that matter. And so one, one size does never fits all. Uh, so I like to help people kind of figure out, uh, systems and approaches to life that work for them.

Megan: Oh, I'm all about it. I'm in your kitchen crew. I'm so excited.

Megan: I can't wait. I can't wait for that next book to come out. This is going to be fantastic. So if I might, here's a quick kind of synopsis from. Kind of my Enneagram for beginners. I love this book, The Road Back to You by Ian Crohn and Suzanne Stabile, great book. So yes, it's my favorite for people who are just learning. It's very easy and accessible. 

Megan: So healthy ones are committed to a life of service and integrity. They're balanced and responsible and able to forgive themselves and others for being imperfect. They are principled, but patient with the processes that slowly but surely make the world a better place. I average ones, which means like we're in the middle of real, super healthy, but not low is our judging and comparing.

Megan: Mine's that naturally spot errors and imperfections. They struggled to accept that imperfection is inevitable while fearing the tyranny of that critical voice in their head voices. So awful to us. And on healthy ones when we're not doing well, can fixate on small imperfections are obsessed with micro-managing, what they can and asserting control over something.

Megan: Or someone is their only release. That's always hard to hear description, read aloud, but what part of that, can you say, maybe you relate with, because as you said, everybody's unique and just because we are both Enneagram ones does not mean we have the same experience. So w what in there do you relate with?

Megan: And it is your lived experience. 

Kendra: Yeah. Uh, it's funny. I always feel a little I have like a not complicated relationship with uni gram, but like, sort of, because I love is such a fantastic tool to like, learn about yourself and other people and all of that. And at the same time, it is so aggressively personal and like, and it's very accurate.

Kendra: And so when someone reads the thing about your type and your life, There you go everybody. The first time I read that a one is like really judgmental. It's like, oh good. Now everyone knows. 

Kendra: I was really upset. I was like, I've been 

Kendra: trying really hard to not appear judgemental, even though that's what's happening.

Kendra: A lot of my head, like I was, I was angry. So have ones are generally also you might've said this and I just supposed to it, but once generally repressed their anger. But I'm a counter type of the one, I'm the one that does not repress anger. I'm very much like, oh, here's my anger is very available, so it's fine.

Kendra: But yeah, I mean, all of those things have been part of my experience. Yeah, I've, I've done a lot of work over the last five, ten years. But like a lot of really hard work over the last couple and yeah, just sort of like naming that the Enneagram calls it the shadow side. Like this, this whole idea of the Enneagram and personality in general, like all of it is a construct.

Kendra: It's all a construct. I can't say like, yes, I'm a perfectionist actually. No, no, no. That is the, that is what I have created. That is the scaffolding that I have on the inside of me that says I have to be perfect in order for people to approve of me and love me and like me, it's not my personality. It's actually not.

Kendra: It's like the very thing that I'm trying to kind of like release or whatever. And so I think that I think that I get a lot of people who tell me, I don't feel like a one because. A nicer.

Kendra: I was like, oh, well, thank you. 

Megan: Oh, I know. Yeah. 

Kendra: And I think, I think there's also the piece of you know, a lot of ones are seen as being like very, you know, obviously like being very organized. Cause I like things to be done a certain way. Not in everything, not in every category of their lives. That's something that is interesting when you talk to people like who identify as a similar type, but it kind of, manifests itself in different ways.

Kendra: But I think that sometimes I get sad that one's, even healthy ones, even healthy ones can be sort of categorized. It's just like, they're just very dependable and they're really good call when you need to move. And, you know, it's like, uh, and I think that those things are like, hopefully true. I think we all want to be dependable.

Kendra: People be helpful. But I do love that the more you dig in to who you are and how the Enneagram can sort of like aluminate some of those things that you've depended on, the more that you actually can break free of those descriptions. It's like, oh, I'm, I'm not, I'm not this paragraph on a page. I'm like, I'm Kendra.

Kendra: You're Megan. It's like, we're all people. Yeah. It's just a tool to kind of help you name what some of those pieces are. And so, yeah, I've, I've all of those words. 

Megan: I know. And I hate to thinking, people think that I'm judging them all the time and I want, I, I like to clarify, like, no, I'm, I'm beating myself up.

Megan: I'm I'm not, you're fine.

Megan: Uh, and I, yeah, and I hate being like the boring, one of every single description. It's like endless list and you're like, really? That's all we get?

Megan: All right. Well, let's talk about something maybe a little more fun, maybe. What did, so we wanna, we want to know Kendra, this is not necessarily Kendra, the Lazy Genius, the brand. What does Kendra do? Well, what do you do when you are scrolling for fun. What platforms are you most attracted to? Like what does just kind of, and I realize it gets weird and wonky because you're a creator as well, but you know, just for fun.

Megan: Where are you? Where do you spend time? What do you like to do on social? 

Kendra: Yeah, I'm pretty much exclusively Instagram. I don't go on Facebook. I have an account, but I don't have an app and I don't go there for anything other than. Uh, like a lazy genius group, like for work, I go there for work, but I don't use Facebook at all.

Kendra: Um, Not for like anything other than it just doesn't bring me joy. And so I just don't, I've got too many things that I want to do to like waste my time on things that I don't love. And so, it's kind of like that idea of quitting books that you don't love. There are too many. To like read a book that you're like, man, I don't know.

Kendra: It's like quit the book. So I quit Facebook in that regard. Like I just don't, I just don't go bottles. So the people that I stay connected with are on Instagram. I think if it were the other way, like if my people were there and then that's where I would go, but most of my people, so, I don't really do Twitter.

Kendra: I used to. And then I was just spending more time and I, I want to clarify. I love the internet. I love social media. I love screen time. Like love it. But I wa I also love other things. And so in order to enjoy the things that I love the most on the internet, I let go of a lot of things. That's the whole idea as being a wasted genius.

Kendra: Anyway, it's like, I'm lazy. I'm lazy about Facebook. I was talking to my sister. She was, she sent me a Tik TOK, and I was like, Hannah, should I get on Tik TOK? She's like, Don't do it because you'll never get off. Like just don't stay away. It will know me and love me. And then I will never leave it. It'll be like my fourth child.

Kendra: And so I'm just like, not even, I don't even know how to access it. I don't have the, like, I'm just like, I'm just not going. I'm like, 

Megan: oh my God, let me tell you that is the biggest and like job hazard that I have. Is, I have to be at least to know about all the things. And tick top. I was like, all right, I'll figure it out.

Megan: This thing I get on it. And I came up for air like 90 minutes later going, what happened? Yeah. 

Kendra: My sister has one night, a week. That's ticked off night. Like she doesn't open except on like the one night. Cause she knows she's like, okay. Buckle up everybody we're going to fall asleep watching me. So that's like her, I just know, I, I don't, I don't even have that kind of discipline.

Kendra: I just need to stay away from it completely. So in terms of social media, it is, it is Instagram. And even that is, is a little complicated because that's also where I do most of my work. And so, and I'm in my DMS. Like I answer all of my data. I try to answer every single one of my dams. And so I yeah, I like, it's hard to go and just like, enjoy.

Kendra: People at like as a user. And then I see. The number that's waiting for me. And I think I'll just do a couple and then I do a lot, and then I get overwhelmed because I don't know the answer or you know, sometimes I can get frustrated because it's, like I said, it in the caption, I promise it's in the capture, the question you're asking me, I already wrote it down.

Kendra: Like it can, it can sort of get a little bit it's like a crapshoot on what the emotional response is going to be. And so, I kind of like, I'm still in. The process, like a very active process of how can I use Instagram personally without using it for work? Because at one point I made like a separate, like a, like a Finsta, like it's just a random one that I could just follow the people that I'm friends with.

Kendra: But even that, like, I I'm friends with and I'm friends with people who like, I want to like friends with people who are doing, who are technically colleagues. And so I want to engage with their stuff as The Lazy Genius and not as some rando. So it's, it's a little, like, it's a little janky, but I only have to figure out that junkiness on one platform and not three or four.

Kendra: So yeah, Instagram, 

Megan: I think for me, it's helped to find like the one platform that I have zero. Like I have to know them all of course, but I don't publish on, or I don't, I'm not active on, in that way. Like YouTube for me is the one that like I could go rabbit holes for days. I don't feel like I need to be a certain person be a certain thing, whatever. I can just watch videos for fun, you know, it's just like pure, sheer joy, joy over there. Yeah. So sometimes it helps to find one that you're just like this, I understand what you're trying to do with the other account, but you're like, it gets wonky then. And you're like, what?

Megan: Just switch over here to comment on this one. And then I have to go button. Yeah, it gets crazy. 

Kendra: But that's why I just read books. I'm just like., "Bye" No one is talking to me while I'm reading. 

Megan: So when you're on Instagram, we'll just talk about Instagram when you're on Instagram. What just can't you resist when you're there? Like, what are other people posting that you're like, I need. 

Kendra: Yeah, I think laughter probably like things that are funny. It's just celebrity and jokes. It's like celebrities and comedians. Like people who are funny. People who make me laugh and then like hot people in pretty clothes. I'm like, okay, I'm here for this all day.

Kendra: That's all I need. I'm totally fine. So, uh, I think those are the things and I have I'm a pretty what's the word ? I'm a very intentional, I don't like haphazardly follow people. Like I will get there's this one. There's this one account. I can't remember the name and the name is irrelevant actually, but there's this one account that I like about 20% of the content that this guy does, but the other 80%, I actually really don't like, like actively don't like, and so I just know he's going to show up in my Explorer page and if I see something that I'm like, oh, I'm probably going to like that, I'll watch it, but I don't follow it because I don't want it in my feed.

Kendra: So, so I think I, I have like a few little, little rules for lack of a better word. Just some kind of guidelines and guardrails of how to use it. But I mute a lot, I mute a lot in different seasons of my life. And I just want to be like very, I want to wear a shirt that's it's like, it's okay to meet people on social media, because there are certain seasons in my life where following someone is just not good for me. It has nothing to do with anything that they're doing, nothing to do with them. Everybody gets to make your own choices, but I, in my own situation, in my own place of like maybe not being in a, in a very healthy place, I take out that frustration on them unnecessarily and unfairly, and then it can, it makes a chasm with that person, whether I know them or not.

Kendra: And then I sort of like resent them for posting. They're just posting their stuff. Like they don't owe me that, like, it's fine. So anyway, so all that to say I mute a lot, so I don't have like, I will often get to that page, that little screen on Instagram that says you're at the end. Like you've seen everything.

Kendra: Because there are just very few people that actually show up in my feed. 

Megan: I don't think people know about. Yeah, it's really hard to get. So you have to be lazy about following people, I guess, meaning you have to have a small enough amount of people that you're following to then get to. There is guys, there is the end of Instagram.

Megan: There is it's weird there isn't? 

Kendra: Did I break the internet? It just that's what's just happened. 

Megan: You're like, what is this? Facebook 20, 20, 2000. What is going on here? Right, right. Do you have any pet peeves of things that people might do on Instagram that would really trigger a one, 

Megan: That you just wish they would stop?

Kendra: I'm trying to think of like something specific to one's. I think that any time, I think anytime that what matters to me is dismissed casually is very, very hard because I personally want to be deeply intentional about leaving space for the way everybody does things. Like I, I recognize that not only like there it's, there's no question that what I do is the right way. Like, that's not a thing I'm just doing it myself. Like if that's not a thing. And so part of like, that's, my whole work is giving people permission to do things the way that they need to do them. And I can give you some like super, you know, some look like ideas and stuff, but you get to decide.

[00:17:01] Kendra: And if you don't care about it, like you need to do what you care about. You need to do it matters to you. And so I do get frustrated. When, what matters to me is dismissed as unimportant or it is kind of described in a way that I feel is misunderstood where I feel misunderstood. So, I get really, I have a hard time with people who like really talk bad about the internet.

Kendra: Like that's a, that's a hard thing for me because I'm like, you're making your money here. Like, this is where your job is. Like, it feels really incongruent to say things about how the internet is tearing us apart. And you only come here because you have to, and it's like, well, then just go. 

Megan: Every time I'm like, well, bye. You don't have to be here.

Kendra: And then what happens is I, because my, my first reaction to most things from a, like, from a place of insecurity, my first reaction is anger is that's, it's always anger. And I don't want that to be the case for one, but it is like that's, you know, in terms of the Instagram, like we all have, it's like anger, it's fear.

Kendra: It's, we'll see a shame. Is it shame? And so, so we all have those things that are sort of like the first it's like the first stop. Yeah. It's like the first stop, like, okay, Kendra is angry, there's something happening something's just happened. So let's kind of like lift up the lid on that anger and find out what it is and what I want to uncover when I lift that lid is I want to find compassion. I want to find empathy. 

Kendra: And that's one of the reasons I love the Enneagram is because I can go. Okay. The reason that this person is feeling this way or saying this thing perhaps is depending on what I might know of them, and I might know nothing, but it might be. And I can understand that. And so I'm going to like, let's, we'll let them make their decisions, but maybe I will use them or maybe I'll know if a post looks a certain way.

Kendra: Cause we all have like, aesthetic rhythms with our post too. And you sort of know if it's going to be this kind of picture, it's probably going to be this kind of caption. And so I'm just like, I'm just not going to read that one. I'm just going to keep going because I know like if I feel attacked and something that I care about without any sort of caveats of like, We are all different and that's great.

Kendra: Here's what I'm doing. But you do you, if there is not a genuine, you do you it's, it's really frustrating. Yeah. 

Megan: No, that makes sense. And I think most of us in thinking on that question, most of my pet peeves or things that, because I'm a marketer. I'm looking at those things like that's wrong, you know, there's wrongs, you know, that's what most of what my pet peeves are or things that are done.

Megan: That's so basic. Oh my Gosh, can we not start it with, Hey guys, every single, you know, those types of things, which yeah, I have to do the same thing and like turn it off. It's totally fine. But I was trying to think of why, like I love comedy too, it's like why I go a lot of times 

Kendra: It's because we're boring. 

Megan: I don't want to say you can't do comedy wrong because you can not be funny for sure. But it's like, it's like a, I can't find fault with it.

Megan: Like you're making me laugh. That's the goal you're done, you know, like, yes, we are serious people, so we need to like, let go and let some steam off for sure. So, , can you think of anything specifically like that, this person, and you said that if they're not being inclusive, they're being dismissive in general.

Megan: Yes. I totally understand those, but something like maybe. From a standpoint of, I want to consume your things. I want your product, whatever. And they do. And you're like, you know, like this is stopping me from, 

Kendra: Yeah. I think, I think the thing that I it's not that it's, well, I mean, I guess it does stop me, but the thing that I want to just like, hold someone's face who was like selling things on the internet and just be like, you're allowed to be confident about. Oh, I think this is good. You're allowed to think this is good. Like, I just, there's just a, there's a big, like, there's a lot of energy in selling on the internet and like all these, like, uh, all this baggage around the word influencer.

Kendra: If people listen to you on the internet, you're an influencer. Like you might not be selling, you know, tea. But like you're an influencer you just are, and that's not bad. That's actually an honor that people want to listen to what you have to say. And so I, I just get like, so squirrely inside because I do, I just want to like give them a big hug and then hold their face and go, you can be confident about this.

Kendra: I am not going to buy it. You're not confident about it. If you're like apologizing about your thing that you're doing, or like, I mean, you might not need it or like you guys. Just be confident in what you're making. It's not gross. It's not it's not like self-promoting, you are trying to help people. If you are creating something or you like something, or if you have found something that you believe will impact positively impact the people who are listening to you.

Kendra: And when you know who that person is, it helps really well. If you've got that avatar, if you've got that person that everything is for. If, you know, what's going to help them like shout it from the daggone rooftops. Like don't apologize for selling stuff because it makes me not want to buy it. 

Kendra: You have to be confident first and it's not narcissistic. It's not like, look at me, look at me. It's not that it's like, look, I want to help. I might be able to help. Do you want to try this? 

Megan: And there's a huge difference between being an influencer, whose goal is to get as many followers as possible so they can get sponsorships. What have you, and being an influence.

Megan: It's two very different things and yes, I will preach until I have no breath that being, you want to be an influential business. You are trying to help inspire people to action, because you have a solution to what they need. You have the band-aid for their cut and yeah, but I'm not going to want to buy it if you're not even confident in it, if you don't even look like it's good or right.

Megan: For sure telling me that it is and why would I want it? Go over there and yes, absolutely 

Kendra: There are lots of reasons why that would be the case. And I think that's again, because you know, this is like an enneagram space. I think that's one of the things that's so helpful about knowing yourself.

Kendra: It's like, what is it about, what is it about me? That's afraid of this? Like, why, why is this a thing? And because it's not like my frustration about it is because I, I, this is the thing about ones in, like, it's not really, when you're unhealthy, you are judging. Like you're just straight judging, but when you are in a healthier place, I am just like, oh my gosh, there's so much potential here.

Kendra: You are amazing. And you are not letting us see it because you're afraid. And so my like movement, like my very, that the intensity in me, that's like moving.

Kendra: If you would just like, think about this question, like, why are you not doing this? You can change the world. You could do so many great things. Like I call myself Pollyanna with a clipboard because I really am just like, we're going to change the world, everybody we're going to change the world. But like, We need like a path to like, we can't just be fine.

Kendra: So that's, that's my very like Pollyanna with a clipboard energy where I just figure it out, figure it out. Not because of me, don't figure it out because I want to buy your thing. And it's about me as a customer. Figure it out because when you are confident in what you are doing, what you are selling, how you are sharing yourself, when you are confident in that, it makes other people, like you said, it makes other people confident to get it.

Kendra: And then probably is going to make. Better in a better situation because you created something that's meant to help them. Yeah, 

Megan: absolutely. Yeah. Do you feel like, I feel like as a one I have looking, I feel like I have more self confidence or more confidence just naturally, maybe then other personalities do.

Megan: And I've tried to figure out why that is. And at first I thought that was first. And since then, like that was not good. I can't, I shouldn't have this confidence, but what it is is truly because we have this, this horrible voice, the inner critic 

Kendra: she's so mean, so mean to us, trying to make everything better, but she's not doing 

Megan: She's so mean, but if it gets through that filter, I know it's right.

Megan: And I'm super confident that this is right. So that's, I think where it comes from is like, oh, I'm. Put this through all those different angles, like I used to be like, why, why did that, how did that get through the filter? When I heard something from other people that was obviously not, not thought through or hurtful to others, what have you?

Megan: And I'm like at first. Oh, this is horrible. This person is so naturally horrible, but then I realized like, oh, not everybody would have that anyway. So, I, I do feel that it is one gift that we have is that confidence to help and then inspire others and help we want to fix it. That's where I was feeling like, oh, I want to fit.

Megan: Oh, I know. I know how to fix that. You know? So going toward people and giving them the confidence that maybe they weren't, they don't have. Cause we know the right way to do it. It's cool. So Kendra, as we kind of wrap up our time here, I could not let the opportunity to go by, to ask you if you might have off the top of your head, like one tip for how to Lazy Genius your social, like is there since you are, I could not let this opportunity pass up to say, to ask.

Kendra: Yeah, I think let's see. Well everything begins with what matters to you and then like what your frustration is. So I could give like some tips, but you might already have a system for that. People might already have kind of approached for something because our frustrations are different. And so I think that paying attention to that question, what matters about.

Kendra: When I'm on for, for example, just to be specific, like what matters to me when I'm on Instagram, just to the user and what matters to me when I'm on Instagram as a content creator, like, what are, what are those things as it, about the time? Is it about the energy? Is it about the engagement with you know, like just make it smaller.

Kendra: One of the, so, in my book, there are 13 Lazy Genius principles, and one of them is to start small. And in some ways I wish I want to like add an addendum to that where it's like, make it smaller because it's not just starting small, but even in the process to go like, oh, When, like, like what matters to me about Instagram is, is too big of a question.

Kendra: But what matters to you about when you use Instagram? What matters about like even the workflow of getting stuff onto Instagram? You know, like if Reels freak you out, even though the algorithm rewards them, if they just take too long and they make you stressed out, can you just decide to not do rails for a little while?

Kendra: Like just don't do reels. Nope. You don't have to do them. Like I know that. But like, if they take away part of who you are and they make, you want to give up Instagram altogether, you should not 

Kendra: do reels. Like let them go. It's okay. Or you can have someone, you know, like figure out and help you or with it or whatever.

Kendra: But, so I think that it's this idea of like, you can't do everything , you can't do every single social media platform and do it well, you can't solve how you feel about one platform with one big question. Like you have to make it smaller because when we make small adjustments, we maintain them and then it's easier to keep them going.

Kendra: And then they actually make a difference, especially when they're applied in an area that's like a pain point. So like for example, I shared beginning the pain point. I have had two sort of pain points. Recently. One is personal and one is work. The personal one is when I get on for personal I work. And I don't want to do that.

Kendra: So like, what does that mean for me? And so it could just be one of the principles. One of the Lacy June's principles is to decide once. And it could just be like, if I log on to Instagram after 8:00 PM, I just don't do work after 8:00 PM. Like I just get on it as a person and that's fine, but, you know, I don't know.

Kendra: We'll see if that works. I just making that up because I haven't figured out what it is yet. But from a work standpoint, my biggest pain point was I'm not a very good photographer. And I don't mean that in a, like, you know, like try to get compliments, like it takes me like you, you know, Emily P. Freeman quite well.

Kendra: We will go for a walk together. I get so mad at her because we'll go together and she's like, hold on real quick. And she'll just like scooch down and she'll take a picture. And I'm like, what'd you take a picture of. And then three days later, This like amazing work of art is on her feed. Like I did not see that when we were walking, I did not see that at all.

Kendra: So like, I just don't have the eyes for that, but there are certain things that I do. Like there's certain types of photos that I have an eye for. And so here's what I made. You're probably going to really enjoy this. So we made my team and I, we made an image. So I have, this is like, this is like behind the scenes.

Megan: It's like, oh my God. I have to know. Okay. 

Kendra: So, so we there are a few types of pictures that I absolutely love. I love to post them. I love to take them, you know, it's whatever. So I love humans, the sky, I love pictures of the sky. Just love it I love pictures and I don't feel we're taking a picture of like a single item.

Kendra: Like I, this is not product placement. This is the closest item I have next to me, but just like taking an item up against a wall or like a flat lay of something. And then I love, I have like, colored text boxes that are peppered through my feed for like covers of things or questions or whatever. 

Kendra: And I made a wheel of like, I think it's 11. I think it's 11 things and it's like, okay, we spaced them out so that the aesthetic of the feed looks good to me. Cause that actually matters to me. I like for it to feel balanced. And so it's like, okay, so our next photo is a color box. It's a text box. And then it's a single item and then it's sky, it's a human and then it's this.

Kendra: And then it's that. And I just run the wheel. And so I know no matter what the content is that I want to share. I know that I have, I have a sky photo coming up and it's like, okay, well, I'm going to put in that. It has saved my Kendra: And is it going to look good? I know it's going to look good because I have, I know what kind of, I only take a certain kind of photo and I have an order that works for them and it's like changed my life. 

Megan: Wow. That's amazing. And one, because as you said, and I will say. The grid doesn't matter for everyone, you don't have to care about the design.

Kendra: And it does, for me, I don't care about, but I care about my grid. 

Megan: Yeah. But yes, but you've decided that that's the, that is one of the things that you want, it matters to you. So that's important. So it's worth it to make the system, which that's genius by the way, the wheel. I picture it on something on something you spin. I know you don't do that, but that would be so fun. 

Megan: Oh, that's great. That's fantastic. Well, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. This was some fun to get to talk to you to get a little bit of insight into the private scrolling. That sounds very salacious, 

Megan: but it's really not 

Kendra: There's nothing. I mean, it really is. Funny things, hot people.

Kendra: And then I turn it off. When I read a book, like that's basically my experience. 

] Megan: There's the pull quote, everyone.

Kendra: You're welcome. 

Megan: Oh man. Oh, all right. Well, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you taking the time. Go, can they pre-order the new one yet? Yeah, you can. 

Kendra: It's very early, but it's yeah, it's like six months away but it's on Amazon. 

Megan: Follow her on all the things and learning to Lazy Genius your life. 

Megan: So thank you so much, Kendra. 

Kendra: Thanks for having me, Megan. Thanks for coming everybody. 

 Megan: Bye bye.